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	<title>Comments on: Activist cancels benefit to protest lax security</title>
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		<title>By: Pauley</title>
		<link>http://fightback.org.nz/2012/10/21/activist-cancels-benefit-to-protest-lax-security/#comment-18516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pauley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AW, 

While challenging other&#039;s tactics is fine, you seem either motivated by a personal or political agenda, or else incapable of reading and listening to others.  

Your objection to Olive&#039;s &quot;methodology&quot; is that cancelling her benefit would deprive herself and her child. This is false as others already pointed out that her action has political and financial support from union and other groups.  

In contrast to this solidarity, your earlier presumptive claim that Olive was recieving money from family, and thus in a privileged position relative to individuals &quot;born&quot; into welfare poverty, divides beneficiaries while unwittingly supporting a deserving/underserving poor distinction.

You also object to Olive&#039;s &quot;methodolgy&quot; because it &quot;encourages&quot; other beneficiaries to take the same actions and thus deprive themselves and their children. Yet nowhere does Olive ask for or encourage similar actions.  You insult beneficiaries intelligence and parental skills by suggesting they&#039;d cancel their benefits and only means of survival just because they heard some relatively minor activist -- who has alternative support -- cancelled her benefit to make a political point.  Like we really need you to &quot;make us aware of what they may get themselves into if they follow this stance&quot; -- how patronizing!

Finally, you condemn one of the posters as a &quot;coward&quot; for using an anonymous username, naively assuming everyone is in a safe and privileged position to openly criticize existing political and economic powers in a public forum accessible to employers, government agencies, fascists etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AW, </p>
<p>While challenging other&#8217;s tactics is fine, you seem either motivated by a personal or political agenda, or else incapable of reading and listening to others.  </p>
<p>Your objection to Olive&#8217;s &#8220;methodology&#8221; is that cancelling her benefit would deprive herself and her child. This is false as others already pointed out that her action has political and financial support from union and other groups.  </p>
<p>In contrast to this solidarity, your earlier presumptive claim that Olive was recieving money from family, and thus in a privileged position relative to individuals &#8220;born&#8221; into welfare poverty, divides beneficiaries while unwittingly supporting a deserving/underserving poor distinction.</p>
<p>You also object to Olive&#8217;s &#8220;methodolgy&#8221; because it &#8220;encourages&#8221; other beneficiaries to take the same actions and thus deprive themselves and their children. Yet nowhere does Olive ask for or encourage similar actions.  You insult beneficiaries intelligence and parental skills by suggesting they&#8217;d cancel their benefits and only means of survival just because they heard some relatively minor activist &#8212; who has alternative support &#8212; cancelled her benefit to make a political point.  Like we really need you to &#8220;make us aware of what they may get themselves into if they follow this stance&#8221; &#8212; how patronizing!</p>
<p>Finally, you condemn one of the posters as a &#8220;coward&#8221; for using an anonymous username, naively assuming everyone is in a safe and privileged position to openly criticize existing political and economic powers in a public forum accessible to employers, government agencies, fascists etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Withers</title>
		<link>http://fightback.org.nz/2012/10/21/activist-cancels-benefit-to-protest-lax-security/#comment-18095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alison Withers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NOTsowisewoman, personal information about Olive? No. I have only published information that can be publicly accessed by anyone on google, the same link you can see right here on this blog post. Don&#039;t flatter yourself, I wouldn&#039;t stalk your ass if it was the last ass on earth, but unlike you, I don&#039;t hide like a coward behind an anonymous name. I have commended Olive for taking a stand in requesting that her personal information be removed from the computers, I just don&#039;t agree with her cancelling her benefit, what are you wanting me to do? Concede and agree with her decision to deprive herself and her child of an entitlement? In which case, no, I wont. Quit behaving like such a drama queen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOTsowisewoman, personal information about Olive? No. I have only published information that can be publicly accessed by anyone on google, the same link you can see right here on this blog post. Don&#8217;t flatter yourself, I wouldn&#8217;t stalk your ass if it was the last ass on earth, but unlike you, I don&#8217;t hide like a coward behind an anonymous name. I have commended Olive for taking a stand in requesting that her personal information be removed from the computers, I just don&#8217;t agree with her cancelling her benefit, what are you wanting me to do? Concede and agree with her decision to deprive herself and her child of an entitlement? In which case, no, I wont. Quit behaving like such a drama queen.</p>
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		<title>By: wisewoman</title>
		<link>http://fightback.org.nz/2012/10/21/activist-cancels-benefit-to-protest-lax-security/#comment-18094</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wisewoman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alison, you should know by now that assumption is the mother of all cock ups. I am a small nobody in the scheme of you Important Activists, not Penny Bright who I do not think I would recognise from a bar of soap. I am however, someone who would not like to be stalked by you or subjected to you tactics. That was not your sole point at all. The fact that you have published personal information about Olive on various facebook pages tells me you have an agenda, and that you are no better than the person who you are cracking into here. My sole point is stop wasting energy - yours and other people&#039;s]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alison, you should know by now that assumption is the mother of all cock ups. I am a small nobody in the scheme of you Important Activists, not Penny Bright who I do not think I would recognise from a bar of soap. I am however, someone who would not like to be stalked by you or subjected to you tactics. That was not your sole point at all. The fact that you have published personal information about Olive on various facebook pages tells me you have an agenda, and that you are no better than the person who you are cracking into here. My sole point is stop wasting energy &#8211; yours and other people&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: wisewoman</title>
		<link>http://fightback.org.nz/2012/10/21/activist-cancels-benefit-to-protest-lax-security/#comment-18093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wisewoman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my world, googling a person whose political tactics you do not agree with, and using that (out of date)  information to try and discredit the person personally is not questioning political tactics, but bullying. Alison was furious when people in Dunedin organised a WINZ day of action because it was not done by experienced people. SInce when do grassroots actions have to be approved of a by a centralised committee?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my world, googling a person whose political tactics you do not agree with, and using that (out of date)  information to try and discredit the person personally is not questioning political tactics, but bullying. Alison was furious when people in Dunedin organised a WINZ day of action because it was not done by experienced people. SInce when do grassroots actions have to be approved of a by a centralised committee?</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Withers</title>
		<link>http://fightback.org.nz/2012/10/21/activist-cancels-benefit-to-protest-lax-security/#comment-18092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alison Withers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My sole point is that cancelling a benefit, which is an entitlement to help support the children of beneficiaries, will not remove personal information from a server, also, the personal information of ALL of us, is not isolated to being stored on the WINZ kiosk computers, as all information has been amalgamated and backed up on government, external databases and servers. At a guess, I&#039;d say that &#039;wisewoman&#039; is Penny Bright, yet another &#039;independent activist&#039; that I, and many others have clashed with, particularly since she published the personal information of a known Activist on a right wing blog, and insulted Socialist Aotearoa, Joe Carolan and other associated SA members, quite publicly on a video recently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sole point is that cancelling a benefit, which is an entitlement to help support the children of beneficiaries, will not remove personal information from a server, also, the personal information of ALL of us, is not isolated to being stored on the WINZ kiosk computers, as all information has been amalgamated and backed up on government, external databases and servers. At a guess, I&#8217;d say that &#8216;wisewoman&#8217; is Penny Bright, yet another &#8216;independent activist&#8217; that I, and many others have clashed with, particularly since she published the personal information of a known Activist on a right wing blog, and insulted Socialist Aotearoa, Joe Carolan and other associated SA members, quite publicly on a video recently.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Franks</title>
		<link>http://fightback.org.nz/2012/10/21/activist-cancels-benefit-to-protest-lax-security/#comment-18091</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Franks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 20:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a reader of this thread who knows none of the protagonists personally, I see the thrust of Alison&#039;s posts as disagreement on political tactics. 
There is nothing wrong with that at all.
Political tactics are everyones business. 
If we want to progress we will argue out tactics and strategy in an open way and then, as far as possible, act on a collective basis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a reader of this thread who knows none of the protagonists personally, I see the thrust of Alison&#8217;s posts as disagreement on political tactics.<br />
There is nothing wrong with that at all.<br />
Political tactics are everyones business.<br />
If we want to progress we will argue out tactics and strategy in an open way and then, as far as possible, act on a collective basis.</p>
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		<title>By: wisewoman</title>
		<link>http://fightback.org.nz/2012/10/21/activist-cancels-benefit-to-protest-lax-security/#comment-18084</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wisewoman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again we have Alison Withers running down an activist not doing things &quot;her&quot; way. Please stop doing it. You weaken us all and you dissipate your energy. Olive is doing something she believes is right as an individual. She is not exhorting anyone else to follow suit. If people want to support her, that is their business AND HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH YOU. Please stop it now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again we have Alison Withers running down an activist not doing things &#8220;her&#8221; way. Please stop doing it. You weaken us all and you dissipate your energy. Olive is doing something she believes is right as an individual. She is not exhorting anyone else to follow suit. If people want to support her, that is their business AND HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH YOU. Please stop it now.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Withers</title>
		<link>http://fightback.org.nz/2012/10/21/activist-cancels-benefit-to-protest-lax-security/#comment-18073</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alison Withers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 01:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree. I was wrong, and have apologised to Olive for doing so, admitting that I can be both impulsive and presumptuous at times. In saying this however, she has mentioned that she is fortunate to have union support, activist support and the support of some individuals so that she can risk cancelling her benefit, others aren&#039;t that fortunate, so I wasn&#039;t wrong at least, in &#039;assuming&#039; that she was receiving funding from &#039;somewhere.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. I was wrong, and have apologised to Olive for doing so, admitting that I can be both impulsive and presumptuous at times. In saying this however, she has mentioned that she is fortunate to have union support, activist support and the support of some individuals so that she can risk cancelling her benefit, others aren&#8217;t that fortunate, so I wasn&#8217;t wrong at least, in &#8216;assuming&#8217; that she was receiving funding from &#8216;somewhere.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Withers</title>
		<link>http://fightback.org.nz/2012/10/21/activist-cancels-benefit-to-protest-lax-security/#comment-18071</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alison Withers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 01:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The words &quot;Get a job&quot; only serve to prove how politically unaware the people are speaking them. Even John Key and Paula Bennett have admitted that there aren&#039;t enough jobs for those seeking them, though they&#039;d much rather spend money bashing the poor, than creating jobs. My issue with cancelling a benefit is that it isn&#039;t going to hurt a &#039;Corporation&#039;, it is only going to penalise the children involved, and it definitely wont do anything to remove personal information from government servers. In all other aspects, I admire Olive McRae in her determination to fight for the poor, just not on this ONE action is all. I have since learnt that WINZ have written a letter to Olive McRae, refusing to cancel her benefit, so it hasn&#039;t been cancelled anyway, well... Not yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The words &#8220;Get a job&#8221; only serve to prove how politically unaware the people are speaking them. Even John Key and Paula Bennett have admitted that there aren&#8217;t enough jobs for those seeking them, though they&#8217;d much rather spend money bashing the poor, than creating jobs. My issue with cancelling a benefit is that it isn&#8217;t going to hurt a &#8216;Corporation&#8217;, it is only going to penalise the children involved, and it definitely wont do anything to remove personal information from government servers. In all other aspects, I admire Olive McRae in her determination to fight for the poor, just not on this ONE action is all. I have since learnt that WINZ have written a letter to Olive McRae, refusing to cancel her benefit, so it hasn&#8217;t been cancelled anyway, well&#8230; Not yet.</p>
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		<title>By: TNA</title>
		<link>http://fightback.org.nz/2012/10/21/activist-cancels-benefit-to-protest-lax-security/#comment-18044</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TNA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Olive; her data should be secure.

She can ensure this is the case by losing her pathetic sense of entitlement and getting a job in the private sector or, better still, starting her own independent business.

If there were less government, there would be less government incompetency.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Olive; her data should be secure.</p>
<p>She can ensure this is the case by losing her pathetic sense of entitlement and getting a job in the private sector or, better still, starting her own independent business.</p>
<p>If there were less government, there would be less government incompetency.</p>
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